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Juan and Victoria Osuna (as with most people we interviewed) feel that the "Bolivarian Revolution" is deeper than Chavez. A veteran community activist told us, "Chavez is just a translator for the people, for the popular movements. All these programs that are happening are proposals and demands the popular movements have been making for years. Now we have a President who is willing to listen and implement these things...this is not a revolution that Chavez is engineering or imposing."